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Mr I am not sure whats your name :)

I have found you deeply offended by my response to the mr Lautremonts article. Well If you read it carefuly I said I agree with some of it like..... I am not a supporter of a genocide and I really do not know why Mr L. whould write such a negative article, I think nobody deserves what happenend to us in 1915. And I also think thats what drew mr Lautreamont to write such a negative article, he is VERY ungry. But please do not say that this article is complitely unreasonable. I must say that there are answers to all of your questions, your arguments are astonishing to me, according to you, armenians were happiest people in the world (under the azeri rule). Thats a marvelous example of azeri propaganda. I should ask, what made armenians let turks and later azeris stay in their country? Well for one thing it was the turkish sword and the other is the qualities characteristic to turkic people. I find it sssooooooooo ridiculous when you say "azeris let armenians stay..." what do you mean? Who let who stay? It is widely known that some numbers of emigrants did emigrate to Armenia and Azerbaijan, but when the population was 95% armenian. Azeris never ruled anything, they had no country of their own, they lived in someone else's home, just like turks. And what about Mantashov? Well for first does it have anything to do with azeris ? According to history azeris never were counted as The nation that the territory called Azerbaijan belonged to. They,that is untill 1920 were just like kurds or lezgis, shepherds, they hold no positions but the fact that they were a large ethnic group living there. And what about Mantashov? Are you saying that he was a millioner becouse azeris allowed him to be? In the city which was build by armenians and russians, where they were the people who actually had any importance? Don't flatter yourself . It was only after Communism (1920) that you had any actual power or land. You could not give karabagh any kind of independence first of all becouse it was not up to you, the second of all it was already an autnomous region when Stalin gave it to Azerbaijan from Armenia whos part it was from the begining. Karabagh and Nakhichevan were part of Both independent Amenia in 1918-1920, and for a year in 1921, when it was originaly part of Armenia. I still do not know how can a turk or Azeri claim land? You stole it from other people Mr Azeris, like thieves. Thats just one connection between you and turks you are thieves. And what about armenians having so much freedom in Karabagh, well all I can say is if you loved Armenians all that much why did you have to clean every single armenian out of Nakhichevan? Oh you are not going to say that you asked them to leave and they just left, are you? Look it is very deprresing for to to talk on these subjects, I get very ungry. I just want to say the reasons for the war lie deeply in armenian history and hearts, and the reasons for you to war are marely political. Basicaly I think you should thank armenians, becouse while they could have resolved this problem more easely by simply invading Baku, which was going to happen soon, if not Robert Kocharian the one you call evel and hate so much wouldn't strike the cease fire deal, which was doe mainly to his efforts. Don't you find it ironic " The saviour of Azeris is Robert Kocharian" And I did send the bibliography in my other letters which somehow did not reach this site. I will send to this site a ful list of books very soon.
Vigen Galstian

Mr. Vigen

I find it very sad that you support Mr. Lautreamont. If an Azeri said that all Armenians should be annihilated, I would be disgusted. I still hope to see a sensible comment from an Armenian, although this hope is fading away pretty fast. I would ask you to separate your comments about Turks and Azeris. Armenian-Turkish relationship is a very interesting subject, but if you look at the title of this forum it is called Armenian-Azerbaijani forum. If you want to discuss turks please open an Armenian-Turkish forum. Please tell me, if Azeris are all such cruel and intolerant people, why did they let Armenians stay in Karabagh area in 19th century when a lot of Armenians were brought over from Persia and Turkey? Why there are so many interethnical marriages between Azeris and Armenians? Why in 1915 so many Armenians from Turkey came to Baku and Ganja? Why Mantashev was a millionaire in Baku? Why on earth Armenians in NK were allowed to have an autonomy when Talishs and Lezgis weren't?! Why did Azeris still manage to stay friends and not generalise after Dashnaktsutun massacred 20 000 azeris in their homes in the capital of their own country in 1918?! Your grandfather is right - Azeris would give their life for an Armenian (and not only in Armenia), as they would for Georgian, Russian, Lithuanian, American, or Chinese. Because for Azeris, unlike Armenians, there are things that go beyond ethnical identity. It's friendship, family, children, and guests. That's why a lot of Azeris hid Armenians in their homes and saved their lives during pogroms. But I have never ever in my whole entire life heard about one single Armenian hiding Azeri in his home and saving his life.
Armenians in NK had their own newspaper. they had their own schools, all the paperwork was done in Armenian. I find this very strange that Armenians did not have a theater or museum. With all the authorities being armenian, and usually ignoring Azeri government it is very strange. Maybe there were some sensible people who thought that it would be better to have a bigger museum with Karabagh artwork regardles of ethnicity? There even were an Armenian newspaper and TV programs in Baku. What about Azeris in Armenia? Not only they did not have an administrative autonomy, they did not have any cultural autonomy either.
Please, may I ask you once again to put the bibliographies of those italian books you mentioned. Or if you don't want to do this for some reason, please state this reason. Thank you.

I have read this article by mr Lautreamont and it really blew me (vigen), this is the most straightforward thing on this site, and is it good or not, it still is couragious. I must say that I agree with some of his points, like the turkish peole are liers and there is no point in negotiating with them, and if you ask why, I will bring you an example. During the Armenian Genocide The Armenian city of Van and the mainly armenian population decided to defend itself, when they heard what was going to happen, of course Turks were not able to invade the fortress, but after few months everyone started starving in fortress and Turks made promise to negotiate with armenians if they would let them in, well naive armenians did, and there it was the end of thousands of women children old people and men who defended themselves, noone survived. This is just one fact and there are hundreds like this, and thousands of other small ones. Now azeri people have the slyness of persians and the cruelty of turks, althought I am sure that in normal situation they are very nice people, as my grandfather would say, they would give their life for an armenian (in Armenia that is). Now everyone knows, that since the turks arrived on this part of the planet that is middle east, nobody likes them, since then the only friend of theirs is US, everyone hates them, all they brought was tears, destruction death and genocide, now I really do not know any other nation to make so much evil around it. And how can someone still like being turk? They will never get rid of their red spots if they continue like this. Another story, which I got from an american travelers book When this traveler was in a turkish (or made turkish) village and was talking to a peasant he saw how the peasnt gave his dog an unusually big bone, when he asked what animal it is, the peasant replyed "ERMENI" (armenian). When I read this I started thinking like Mr Lautreamont, I was so ungry I started crying. So mr Azeri-turks if you accuse an Armenian of thinking like a Nazi you must ask the reasons that mede them to think so, OK? And armenians were civilized not "Thousands" years ago, they were more civilized than all of the known world less than a thousand years ago. This is the time of Bagratunis and Ani which was given to Turkey and around 1050.
Turks prevented the rising of this great culture, they made everything to destrroym it, and Azeris continue in their line. The ethnic cleansing of Nakhichevan for one is called caltural genocide, the other was going to happen to Karabagh, and there is no way that you can argue about this. Isn't that true that azerbaijan prevented most of the cultural contacts of Karabagh with armenia? No armenian theather no armenian exhebition no armenian museum. And you asking who started the war? Read mr Lautreamonts article and it will clearly tell you.

Vigen Galstian

To Lautreamont

well, well, well, and Armenians dare to say something about Turks being Nazist. These comments are a clear case of Nazism that world has to encounter. It is racist, and it is humiliating. Humiliating not to Turks, but to Armenians as well, and actually to the whole human race. I will not try to argue with this guy - it is stupid. If someone has enough sense to say that some of humans come from viruses - well, this person probably has some serious virus infection. I just wish that some people from outside world could read this and understand finally what Turkish people have been forced to deal with for centuries. If there ever will be peace in the Caucasus, it is only when Nazis stop to influence politics. Mr. Lautreamont, I'd bet you are not too good of an engineer. This is not problem solving, this is crossing out a huge and difficult part of a problem out of a bigger problem and saying that it does not exist. It might be easier, but in the end the answer is not going to be right.

Armenia might have been one of the most civilized countries thousand of years ago, but it must have lost all of it's civilization since there are people like you.

THERE WILL BE TURKS WEST OF THE CASPIAN.

Creating a space where conflicting ideas can 'meet', to clash or blend is usually fruitful. But it seems to me that it makes no sense to attempt any communication with most 'humans' of turkish culture, whether of turkish descent or not. They seem to have a reasoning process that we humans cannot grasp. It simply does not make sense to explain or analyze when dealing with them. Denial and lying seem to be innate qualities in this culture and they behave like clowns. It seems sad and unfortunate, but this seems to be the case and as an engineer, I am goal oriented and have a problem solving approach. The only solution is the total annihilation of Turks, where Turk is considered as a behaviour and not a person. But unfortunately, to kill a behaviour sometimes one will have to annihilate the person. I doubt any of their neighbours succeeded in the past or will succeed in the future to cohabitate with them. So the only solution to me seems to be:

NO TURKS WEST OF THE CASPIAN.

And I think it is an achievable goal and the decline of the Ottoman Empire is not a done process, it is still happening. The Memory of a nation lasts a long time and none of their neighbours have forgotten 10 centuries of atrocities. The Armenian-Azeri conflict is deeply rooted. It is hard to erase from the Memory the pain caused by these barbarian, military herds that vandalized and devastated the region for centuries and became an obstacle for its natural development: this region was more civilized and prosperous than Europe before they came to the region. To use a metaphore, I would say: If humans derive from animal cells, Turks derive from viruses. I wasted enough time, let me go and savour some Modigliani or August Macke with some Bartok in the background. Let's not waste our time, let's simply rebuild our nation and plan a Turk-free future, the entire region dreams of it. Even Europe and the West. We all deserve it. A Turk-free environment should be our goal and reward.

Regards.
Lautreamont.

Dear Vigen,
Thank you very much for mentioning the works of italian historians. This is very nice of you to be so objective. Just for the sake of being objective would you mind giving the bibliographies of these two books here on this forum. It would be very interesting to see what previous sources these italians used in their work.

Also, I do not see what is so wrong with Armenians being related to Gypsies ethnic group. Azerbaijanis belong to Altaic turks group, but it does not make us less of a nation. Why does it offend you to have some ethnicities related to armenians?

Your comment on Turks being Gypsies is an absolute nonsense. I thought everyone knew that Altaic does not belong to Indo-European group (unlike Armenians and Gypsies).

May I also please ask you to use the term Azerbaijanis (or Azeris if Azerbaijanis is too hard for you to write) instead of Turks, when you mean the citizens of Azerbaijan.

I would also like to ask you to use your manners, if you got any, which it does not look like. I realise this is a bit brave of me to ask for manners from people who started a war, but still...

Mr. Krasilnikov, thanks for a comment from an outsider.

My best regards to everyone on this forum and may peace come to Caucasus!

No Mr dear Namik whatever

The only one who is mentaly sick, is you. Still continuing your very badly written "statements" you just put more shame on your name. And for a fact I am not angry whatsoever, and the only agressive ton I see is in Azeri letters, my letters are sarcastic if you did not notice... I am not going to write about "armenian mental dreams" and try to explain anything to you, you are simply not worth it, and it is just a waste of time, when an azeri tries to tell me to go to research facts about my country, dear me what have I been doing for already ten years? I was just waiting for someone like you, Thanks? Anyway, just the fact that you say that ALL churches on the caucas territory are albanian, and that some phsyco azeri "professor" "proved" that they are albanian. WOW this is even better that before. It just makes you look more pathetic and so much more turkish than anyone I have ever met. Recently I just got two books published by Italian research institute in Milan on Armenian monuments in Northern Iran and Karabagh, well what can I say ..... this reasearch institute is one of the most respectable in the world, and your Azeri phsyco does not stand a chance against any of these italians (note italians) one of them being Adriano Alpago- Novello, a hugely respectable professor. And for the armenians agreing with your professor? Well all I could say is DO NOT GO TO LIBRARY GO TO THE HOSPITAL From now on I will send to this site only facts taken from books by foreign authors. That will be enough, to stick your wide imagination where your mouth is.
(my name is not khachik its Vigen)

Dear
Dear Rider:

I would like to remove doubts regarding origin of Armenians as an ethnic group. In 19 th century our Russian scientists researched Armenians with anthropological point of view. They tested a group of Armenians in Tiflis(Georgia) and found out that anthropological origin of Armenians is the same as of Indian Gypsies. So it is absolutely clear that Armenians came to Caucasus and to some Asian areas from India. Their Gypsian Origin therefore is indubitable. Armenians lived in a lot of Asian States for a long centuries and not only in Asia. Armenians today spreaded all over the world. I think that it is normal.
Regarding Nagorno-Karabakh conflict, I think that this conflict should be solved according to International Law under control of UN. The only way to arise this conflict is to keep the territorial integrity of Armenia and Azerbaijan. Otherwise World will encounter a great number of similar conflicts in other regions.

Best Regards
Ivan Krasilnikov
Ph. D.

Dear Dear Reader:

I enjoy very much of nervous reaction of Armenian guy to my previous letter regarding Armenian aggression against Azerbaijan. I don't know this guy's name but I think that his name is probably Khachik - it is most popular Armenian name.

So , Dear Khachik,

I think that "Armenian State" existed 400 BC only in your ill imagination. I can believe that in ill imagination of poor Armenians your "State" existed even in 1 000 000 BC. And probably your "State" placed on whole Earth and even in other planets . Please investigate, I am sure you will succeed in this matter too. ( By the way I have heard from reliable sources that uzbek plov is native Armenian food and was created in 500 000 BC by Greatest Armenian "Scientist-Cook" Mesrop Mashtots. But then this guy needed in money and sell the receipt of plov to usbeks. Please check and add to History of Great Armenia.)
Your previous President has at least understand that Armenia will get catastrophe due to its aggressive policy. Unfortunately remaining part of your mentally sick society don't yet understand that. Regarding Albanian architecture monuments I can advise you to read the monographs(1986) of Azeri Scientist Prof Daud Akhundov. This monographs was positively responded by your Armenian Scientists(Please check). Prof. Akhundov completely proved that the monuments on the territory of whole Caucasus are Albanian and not Armenian. And your Armenian Scientists agreed with these facts fully. I am very sorry that mentally sick Armenians continue to fabricate the History of non and never existing "Great Armenia". You will loose. Please come to one's senses.

Yours Sincerely
Namik Aladdin Oglu Kadyrov
Lawyer

Dear readers can anyone answear me......

Is this by any occasion a circus? This is the first time in my all life I have read that armenians are Gypsies. To say the truth I am not surprised, this idiotic statement would come only from a turk. But even an original turk would hardly ever dare to say something like that. You Mr are a real turk congradulations. My answear would be - look who's talking. You are trying to play the old know game started by turks which is called "turn the history upsidown". Try something oryginal would you?
I just can not understand how can you say that armenians came to "native" Azerbaijan in 19 century, when there are thousands things under your nose that point out that armenians are the only ethnic group in this area. There have never been a country a state or anything of under azeri rule until 1920, and when the first armenian state exsisted thousands years ago ( if you do not accsept that armenians are the actuall descedants from the urartian people , then one known fact will be enough, the first armenian state exsisted under the rule of Ervanoids in 400 BC, wouldn't that be enough?, considering that this is an official fact admited by most historians, on armenian history) One fact take this Did you know that the first armenian school was founded in Artsakh (i am sure you know the oryginal name for nagorno Karabakh) In the monastery of mastara ( althought the present day monastery is a constraction of a later period (thanks to the destruction of you darling turkish invasion) but the original tomb of the brother of Grigor Lusavorich is intact, which is of the fourth century). And please do not try the Albanian excuse any more, it is just not funny any more. I have read many books on the monuments in Azerbaijan, and I have not seen any of these describing the armenian monuments as Albanian, why you may ask? Simply becouse it would be impossible for most of them , as they have inscriptions IN ARMENIAN either on their walls, or on the cross- stones one of the most characteristic features of armenian culture, albanian churches are found on the north of azerbaijan , a long way from Artsakh, where there have never been albanians living. Another thing , how would you explain the armenian monuments on the Nakhijevan area - unsolved mysteries? How can you even say "ethnic" when you perfectly know that turks were the Gypsies, not armenians, and that you have emigrated to the area of middle east only in 11 th century , and that it was your nation which destroyed so many great cultures in this area, your history is a shame for humanity. And yet I can understand that you will in no way acsept something that is against your morals about your nation, and I do not really care , it is after all your problem.
One last thing who is the owner of these Forum? My last letter did not get posted, why may I ask?Please send it as soon as possible this is suposed to be a site where everyone exchanges ideas, or is this an Azeri propaganda site?

Dear Riders:

Arnenians try to persuade the people all over the world that Nagorno-Karabakh is native armenian territory. But true is that Armenian armed forces supported by external armed forces simply occupied the part of territory of Azerbaijan, including Nagorno-Karabakh region. Armenians never lived in Nagorno-Karabakh. They were replaced by Russia to Nagorno-Karabakh as well as to today's Armenia from Turkey and Iran in 19th century. Till 19th century armenians lived on the territory of some Asian states as an ethnic group. In this mean armenians look like gipsies. Gipsies live all over the world and armenians lived all over the world too. Russian politics in 20th century desided to establish armenian state on the borders with Iran and Turkey and as a result in 1920 Russian Communists created new state - Armenia. This state was created on the native azerbaijani lands. The same time armenians politics began to provide an agressive line against all countries around Armenia. Armenian's dream is to occupy a lot of territories of Georgia, Turkey, Syria, Azerbaijan, Iran and even Russia. With this dreams armenians had became psichologically ill and today almost all armenians have got illnes under the name - occupationism.
During last 10 years armenians proceeded in their dark intentions. But today the situation has changed. More and more states , politics have understood the real statement of facts. I am absolutely sure that Azerbaijan led by its President will get positive results in negotiations with Armenia.

Namik Kadyrov

Dear readers.

I would like to welcome everybody on this page who is trying to highlight the history of another country and state. I do not want to be offensive to anybody and I think we need probably to recognize that we are living in the same world.
Concerning the history none can say that he knows something obviously. Only thing we usually do we refer to history written by another people or scholars. However in order to have the point somehow close to the true we need to refer to the different information sources. If you have enough patience (what is said on header of this page) I will be back to this statement.
If we look at us from outside it seems to be very funny in view of great nations to observe these attempts to say sometimes very critical comments addressing it to each other. At the moment we are small nations and we can not do anything in view of Great Game played by Empires. Neither Azeri nor Armenian could not interfere in competition to rule the World and that is why I would call you on not to insult any of us. The story happens again. The interest of large countries crossed here and we were squeezed to participate in this game or to be independent. Whose choice was what you will find later. My next writing it is not attempt to take part in this verbal battle. I have only purpose to say something from history to the people never read any historical transactions above Armenian. There are different nations around the world and different histories have come through the ages. In special report, which had been prepared in view of Armenian claim of so-called genocide (for your information after completion this report prepared by 46 American !!! scholars it was proved that there were only 200.000 Armenian NOT KILLED, BUT DIED DURING THEIR MOVING FAR FROM TURKISH-RUSSIAN BORDER AS PROVOKERS AND REBELLERS later on artificially distended up to 2.000.000 over real 120.000 Turkish people MASSACRED !!! by Armenian) in the beginning of this century (now it is your turn to go to the library Mr. Shabot.ihug.co, by the way do not mix up with publish house of "Armenian Weekly") and submitted to US Senate was said : "Different authors, belonging to different nationalities wrote history of different nations and states. It is vital requirement for historian to be independent and objective. From this point of view Armenian people are unique because they wrote their own story by themselves. It is natural that they highlighted the past in view of their today's demands."
Niche said: "Who possesses present, that possesses past, who possesses past that possesses future."
Armenian people really deserves much better destiny than they are being passed through at the moment. Some people, who thought about themselves much better than they actually were not such a long time ago created very beautiful legend about Armenian people. It was first stage. Then they faced with another challenge to force people to believe that tale. And saying by honest they managed with that task perfectly. Those who denied to believe that rubbish were killed by ASALA, Armenian Freedom Army and dozen of another Armenian terrorist organisations. Finally all the world does not understand the real cheat. But you, our friends, know that there is nothing to do with you, don't you? You are "Hikes" (NB meaning in English shows nature of your tribes), they were Armenian.
There was an monument just at the entrance of former village Margushavan of Agdere district of Azerbaijan. This monument was installed in the early 70-th to commemorate first families of Armenian migrating into this area from Iran. But before coming your would-be clever people decided to call yourselves as Armenian in order to later be able to arrogate the history of another nation. And before all this story with separation of Karabakh land started you destroyed that monument. Another chance for you, Mr. Shabot.ihug.co go to library. The story of really Armenian state existed in past for very short period up to 66 BC and was destroyed by Pompeii, conqueror of Rome. Actually there is nothing to do with "hikes", because it was totally different culture. There have been a lot nations moving around, not necessarily nomadic, (NB Mr. Shabot.ihug.co.). English-Saxon people moved in the North America, Australia and New Zealand, Spanish and Portuguese in South America, Russian in Far East, but none nation did what hikes did - they arrogated foreign culture and started to claim to neighboring lands. It is something like for example Chinese emigrants a century later will call his son Great Inca or Montezuma, learn a little bit about the history of this nation and demand from US Government to give these land back, especially as difference in the situation is that Azeri (or Turks) people were living at these lands neighboring with such nations as Babylonian, Scythian, Iberian, Megrel, Greeks, the very Armenian, Elamite, Zagros which were here for a long time before your coming like a gypsy tribes (Mr. Sshabot.ihug.co, you need not to seek anything from Armenian libraries, there is only state - Great Hiyastan - from the Caspian sea to Black sea).
Mr. Shabot.ihug.co concerning your suggest on Hollywood comedy it might be early for us to have such proposal, on the other hand it is already late for you, because such movie has been made. You probably watched it - "Why me?" or "Vay Me? (in Armenian "Woe is me") especially on your Armenian terrorism. But it is another subject.
I would say just a few words about your approach on religion issue to you, Mr. Talking About 1700 Monuments and Mr. In Pain For Vaspurakan. For your information first state amongst all existing at those lands for that times, which accepted Christianity, was Albania. And you, sorry not you, Armenian people accept the Christianity from Albania. If you were more peaceful, both sides would establish a Committee to sort out which part of Churches placed at the area of the present Armenian republic are Armenian which are Albanian. And final takeover of Albanian church to Armenian happened in 704 while Nersus Bakur was head of Albanian Christians. By the way the name of Alb Arslan, who won the battle near the Manzikert in 1071 AD and who was Turk as well, derived from the same word. You must know even in our relatively past in which you are trying to tense yourselves, Turkish people were reigning (not living) for something 1000 years OFFICIALLY !!! for most part of the land thousand km around. Er Togrul Seljuk PEACEFULLY !!! came into Baghdad in 1055 and up to Reza Pekhlevi's coming to power in Iran as not originally Turkish in 1924 all this region was been reigned by us. And if you would not have agreed to be betrayer during the First World War in army of Ottoman together with you Earless Andranik, probably you could manage to keep you privileges over another nations living in Ottoman empire.
Just to remind you about Great Game played using you as puppets even after you betrayed Ottoman and Sevres treaty was signed the Russian did allow to establish the State you see in your dreams.
I agree with the point of Mr. Arshak Avanesyan that loser can lose, but still be a "predator". So-called Armenian people as they think lost and they still predator and they continue to support the largest network of terrorist ORGANISATIONS!!!! around the World, trying to get back what they lost. Even sadly known IRA is just single organisation, but not network.
Dear Armen Asatrian, probably you are right - there would be Mantshian, Azeri people know that a lot of Armenian people lived in Azerbaijan and Azeri people always created excellent condition for you to earn money whenever you liked. It is reminder to you, Mr. With Such A Pain In Heart About Nakhichevan how "unthankful" Azeri promoted Armenian.
Saying by honest it is so terrible to try to prove the truth. When Jordano Bruno dared to speak out that the Earth is spherical he was not understood moreover he was burnt out. Now Azeri people single around the world have to explain people that "the Earth is spherical".
We are neighbors. Whatever happened I hope we will be neighbors, despite the fact your leader assured people that we came from nowhere and our final is to go nowhere. I hope that the Armenian eventually find right people in power and explain that the idea of Great Armenia from sea to sea is just rubbish. You took 20% of lands officially recognised by UN as a part of the Azerbaijan Republic. May be you think that you won. Probably it is victory as your leaders see it. We were able to establish real paradise in Transcaucasian region with such friendly relationships we had before you started this fighting. But you have brawled with all states around you. You are trying to purloin Poty, Akhalkalaki and Batumi from Georgia, all the World knows you claims to Turkey, your attempts to get the land from Southern Azerbaijan up to Urmia lake in Iran. What the future have you prepared for your children. What have you taught them above odium and Great Armenia idea in view of relationship with another nations?
Mr. Arshak Hovanesian is right in idea that "At least, we should carry the hope of peace and fraternity, that one day, Armenia and Azerbaijan will realize the importance of peace and start to live peacefully".
I would join him and support his idea.
My best regards,
Rovshan Kuliyev

Hi, Dear readers!
Please pay attention on this Azerbaijan-Armenian forum.All Armenians are said that Nagorno-Karabach is Armenian. But "Nagorno" means is "mountainous" in Russian and Karabach means is "black garden" in Azerbaijani. That is, Nagorno Karabach is never been the part of the Armenian. In Nagorno-Karabach there was not any Armenian untill 1700. After the Armenians help to the Russians to occupate Azerbaijan in 1920, Lenin gave the Zengezur (11.000 km sqr) to Armenia, because of Armenians land was small for the setting up Republic inside the USSR. And after this time Armenians began to come Nagorno-Karabach, because they planned the occupation of Karabach since 1900. Please pay attention of the resignation of the President of Armenian, Ter Petrosyan. He knows that Karabach never was the piece of Armenian and can't be. And he knows that this conflict can't solved by war.He is clever. But some (war) fanatic Armenians don't love him. And democrat Petrosyan resigned. Karabach must be piece of Azerbaijan, because of Azerbaijan right, Armenia is occupator.

Your sincerly :
Sadig Hebibullayev
Computer Science Engineer

Obviously this guy did not pay any attention on what i said. Azeris are turks and they EMIGRATED to historical armenia. Look there has never been any Azerbajanian state EVER. Did you know that last armenian independent states were on the present day azerbajian? Obviously there is no point in telling you those facts, I do not belive that you will go immidiatly to library to find some facts about the actuall history. This is so pointless , just one more thing when you try to argue just do not blurb that karabakh belongs to Azerbajian, i have not met a single stament made by azerbajiani that would give some facts , or justify their statments. In case if you are so sure why did your government destroy hundreds of masterpieces of armenian architecture in Nakhichevan, and all around Azerbajian? You are so pathetic. You do not even know who you really are . Oh sorry you just discovered you want to be called TURKS and be in united Turkish empire, so you can kill more armenians. One more question do you really think that Karabagh will ever return to your rule? Well take that idea to a holiwood filmaker they will make a smashing comedy. And try to work on your egnorism!!!! You can write me if you want to disscuss anything on this matter
on shabot@ihug.co.nz

I am glad that this site exist , but it is so painful to read some azeris commenting on how the russians took Zangezur and gave it to armenia. I know that azeris know that practically all Azerbaijan (excluding Albania which has nothing to do with them) even the present teritory of Baku was once armenian states. The state adjasent to casppian sea was called paitkaran. Azeris have never been much but a majority off turkish peasants, who have only some 4 or 5 mosques (built as recent as 17 to 19 century) on the territory of historical armenia. Only in the region of artsakh a very small part of what used to be called Syunik and infact only some 70 percent of Karabakh that Stalin gave to anthankful azeris , there are some 1700 monuments build by armenians. It is simply laughable that some egnorant azeri so called professors even tryed to atribute these monuments to the albanians who simply dissapiared from the scene of history in 10th century they probably dissolved with georgians. one more fact did you know that albanian alphabet was written by the same Mesrop Mashtots? Yes About Nakhichevan my dear beatufull Vaspurakan it is such a pain in my heart that they have drayned you from all your armenians none none is left. Do azers stop and think that it was Nakhichevans example that started the war? No they are just like turks actually they are turks, where else would they know how to drain and genocide. My dear Vaspurakan i am in pain knowing that none of your churches will ring their bells again and there will be no armenian standing on 10 thousand khatchkars of Djugha. That is the biggest prize they win even when they lose. My best advice to all azeris is to forget that for some pitifull 70 years you had a beautifull land called artsakh a land where armenians tryed to flourish beauty of their culture and existance for centuries. We had enough.
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I think that before saying anything every armenian should read a little history....and real history First of all QARABAGH (which means "black garden" in Turkish by the way) was always a part of Azerbaijan and was never taken from Armenia by Stalin as they claim. Actually, it is Azerbaijan who gave or lost its land to Armenians. If you read the history then you should know that starting from Zangezur until Iravan it was all Azeri land. As a matter of fact your capital (Yerevan) Iravan was build by Azeris. The point now is not what happend in the past but about the present situation. You always claim that you want a peace and bla, bla bla. Of course, after occupaying more than 20% of our land and killing thousands of Azeri people, you will want a peace. If you are a such a peaceful nation how come all of this happen and still happening. Never before Armenians felt pressured in Qarabagh and now Azerbaijan even offered you a highest degree of authonomy and you still rejected it. Do you really want peace and democracy??? I think that you should review your actions and try to understand that you can never have peace and prosperity if we don't have it. This bloody conflict between two neighbours put both countries behind. The truth is nobody wins even as you say that you win. This mentality won't help you and also relying on usa is not a great idea.
This land will be taken back one day one way or the other so it is better to do it the smart way!
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Arsoack Howanesian wrote in the web page Azerbaijan-Armenian forum that, Stalin gave Nagorno-Karabakh to Azerbaijan. It is wrong !.. Because Nagorno-Karabach always been Azerbaijan land!.. Nagorno-Karabach never been the piece of Armenia!.. Does he know the history.? I think that no!.. Or he is liar!.. Nagorno-Karabakh always was the land of Azerbaijan. And also, Lenin gave The 11.000 sq. km. land, between Azerbaijan and Nahcivan to Armenia in 1921-1922. He wrote that USA and Russia helps to Armenia. He is true. Because Russia uses Armenia for the to attack to Azerbaijan. Russia don't wont to give free Azerbaijan. America helps to Armenia and not to Azerbaijan because, Armenians box is very powerful in America and they are effective in USA government administration. But Azerbaijan will be win!.. Because Azerbaijan is right. Always wins right one!

Sadig Hebibullayev
Computer Science Engineer

About history of azerbaijan I have a few comments :
1. If Turkish nomadics migrated to Azerbaijan 1000 years ago , Who was there before ?
2. You trace Azeri's back to 400BC. which one is correct ?
3. How about Median Kingdom 600BC ?
4. How about Aryan migrations 1000-3000 BC ?
5. How about Zoroaster and Where he was born ?
6. Have you read the Armenia-Azeri Free forum at the bottom of the page ?

Siros Jarchlou

Quote: Baku attracted investors and oil developers from all over the world, among them Alfred Nobel and his brothers. In fact, the fortune that Alfred Nobel acquired through his work in Baku's emerging oil in dustry allowed him to establish the Nobel Prize." It would be nice if you could aslo mention about Armenian enterpreneur Mantashian, who was one of the first developers of gas and oil sites and who biult first gas pipe in Baku.
Armen Asatrian

Dear reader,

The Armenian-Azerbaijani conflict cannot be solved in one day or in one week, with superficial negotiations and agreements which leed simply to nothing.
History must be known. It was Joseph Stalin who separated Nagorno-Karabakh from Armenia, and gave it to Azerbaijan. This is not a hypothesis, this is a fact stated in every official document concerning this issue. However, we cannot go back into the past and changed history. We have to move towards the future in a peaceful way. For this, one thing is vital: Moderation and acute diplomacy. In the present times, both countries have realized the importance of foreign stability and they both agree to maintain it. The ultimate question is until when is this frozen situation going to continue? unfortunately, I would be very happy to have the answer, but we don't.
Even in this conflict there is a winner and a loser. Armenia is the winner; it has gained 20% of Azerbaijan's territory, it still has the important political and economical support from the U.S. (Armenia recieves the second largest economic aid from the U.S.) and it has Russia's crucial support. Azerbaijan is automatically the loser. Not the victim. The difference between loser and victim is that a loser can lose but still be a "predator" and an agressor, but a victim loses and is a pray.
Both sides should carry the responsibility for the tragic conflict between their two countries. I honestly don't see a near progression of the situation. As the French president Francois Mitterand once said "You have to give time to time".
At least, we should carry the hope of peace and fraternity, that one day, Armenia and Azerbaijan will realize the importance of peace and start to live peacefully.
God bless all the innocent victims of this dark page of history.
please write me: ashoth@erols.com
Your sincerely,
Arshak Hovanesian.

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